When It Comes to Apostles and Prophets for Today, We're Still Asking the Wrong Questions.

Paul_thumb_thumb_thumbAs to determining whether or not apostles or prophets exist today, I think we have to answer some fundamental questions beforehand:

These are examples of questions everyone’s answering but few are asking:



1.  Aren’t Apostles directly appointed and authorized by Jesus Christ to be His immediate representatives on earth? (Mark 3:14; Luke 6:13; Acts 1:2, 24; 10:41; Gal. 1:1)

2.  Doesn’t an apostle have to be an eyewitness of the resurrected Christ? (Acts 1:22; 10:39-41; 1 Cor. 9:1; 15:7-8)

3.  Doesn’t an apostle have to be able to confirm his mission and message with miraculous signs? (Matt. 10:1-2; Acts 1:5-8; 2:43; 4:33; 5:12; 8:14; 2 Cor. 12:12; Heb. 2:3-4).

4.  Doesn’t an Apostle have the authority to write scripture? (2 Peter 3:16)

5.  If the apostles and prophets laid the foundation of the church, then isn’t it silly to try to lay other foundations over theirs? (Ephesians 2:20)

These are examples of questions everyone’s asking, but few are answering:


6.  Is the Church still being equipped for works of service? (Ephesians 4:12) (2 Corinthians 13:11)

7.  Is the Church still being built up? (Ephesians 4:12) (Romans 4:19)

8.  Has the Church reached unity in the faith and in the knowledge of the Son of God? (Ephesians 4:13) (Ephesians 1:17)

9.  Have we become mature? (Ephesians 4:13) (Galatians 4:19)

10.  Have we attained the whole measure of the fullness of Christ? (Ephesians 4:13) (1 Corinthians 14:20)

11.  Have we grown up in every way into him who is the head? (Christ) (Ephesians 4:15) (1 Peter 2:2)

12.  Are the diverse parts/members of the church each doing the work/mission assigned to them in loving manner? (Ephesians 4:16) (Colossians 2:19)

13.  Can we really get to the bottom of this subject by talking about BIG “A’s” and small “a’s?” 

If we can answer “yes” to any of the second set of questions, then their might be a case for the discontinuation of apostles and the apostolic gift.

If however the answers are “no,” then that tiny word “until” in Ephesians 4:13 means everything.  

 

0 thoughts on “When It Comes to Apostles and Prophets for Today, We're Still Asking the Wrong Questions.

  1. Marshall says:

    “Now then we are ambassadors for Christ…” [II Corinthians 5:20] Can it get more “representatives” than this?

    Let’s be extricated from the RCC/Protestant “sacred terms” or “special words” often promulgated by capitalizing the first letter. Transliterated English words ought not assume sacred or high positions.

    We are “eyewitnesses” of Christ, even to Christ in one another.

    There is “great power” of God in His child. But to your question, there is a difference between εσεσθε [shall] and δει [must; is binding upon]… There is also difference between “have to be able” and “is enabled”. to note: wicked spirits also work powers & wonders on demand, while the proving evidence is binding upon fruit (whether good or bad).

    The Holy Spirit has the place to be speaking sacred writings; the same Spirit in you (if you truly are in Christ). This has not changed from the beginning.

    Yes it is “silly” to try and lay any foundation other than Christ.

    The ekklesia is being equipped, being built up, in unity of faith and knowledge of the Son of God; members are becoming mature unto the full measure of Christ, growing up in every way unto the Head; Love prevailing is service to the Living God.

    The hurdle that seems to confuse is for how cramped the “narrow gate that leads to Life” truly is; with few finding it. Few, few indeed. All the masses trying to climb up over the wall do not tell the story of Christ in us, the hope of glory.

    a better rendering to Ephesians 4:13… “unto [the end that] we should all be attaining into the oneness of the faith and of the realization of the Son of God [together] into [what is] mature man; into prime measure of the filling/compliment of Christ; that we may by no means still be minors/children tossed/surging around and-also carried about to every wind of teaching in the caprice/package of humans…”

  2. Alan Knox says:

    Miguel,

    In the first group of questions, the passages listed do not apply to all who are called apostles in Scripture. I don’t think those definitions (and limitations) of apostles came from Scripture, but from a later desire to justify a hierarchical and positional authority among the church.

    -Alan

  3. William Floyd says:

    5. What if the problem isn’t in building upon the original foundations which they set, but rather repairing the foundations which have crumbled and been chipped away from so that the house has become unstable?

    • Marshall says:

      If the foundation is Christ, no repairs are requisite to the foundation. example from Revelation 2 & 3, where there is need only that the local ekklesia/church repent, return to First Love, etc.

      If or when the foundation has been built by men, no amount of repair or shoring-up will prove effective.

  4. William says:

    Ephesians 2:20 KJV

    And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone;

    I would say that in this case the foundations established through the early emissaries and prophets represents the understanding of the Way, which is centered on and represented by our Lord. Since the days of the first century that understanding has been chipped away from and been neglected so much so that though there are many who seek to know Him and His ways, there are very few that do. This is why there is so much deviation in doctrine. This is why we don’t see amazing feats of power. Whether inside or outside of what’s known as the institution, the vast majority of Christendom needs to repent and have their understanding repaired and restored.

    • Marshall says:

      William,
      there have been many efforts to restoration, but all these failed. What is not built upon Christ cannot be rescued.

      The “emissaries and prophets” did not merely represent an understanding… Being in Christ, they brought His own Spirit and presence to a place & time appointed for them.

      There are still “amazing feats of power”, though seldom seen in the western portion of civilization. Faith-trust may come with much more difficulty for a man in the western world, since we here tend to diversify our trust among many lesser gods and philosophies.

      “Christendom needs to repent” and be coming into the new birth & Salvation that is received in being “in Christ”.

      • William says:

        You’re right many have tried. I would say that where they failed was that they either weren’t actually sent to do so and/or they didn’t do things the Lord’s way. Basically they didn’t know Him or themselves well enough to understand the Him as they should. So they could only be used in a limited way.

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